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IT Pro: Toshiba's Android netbook

If any Android netbook is going to succeed, it will be the AC100 but there’s still a question of whether Android is ready for the netbook form factor or whether Windows 7 will hold its own the way Windows XP did against the original Linux netbooks.
Read my first take at IT Pro whether I think Android is going to oust Windows 7 from ultraportables

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lovingboth
23rd Jun, 2010 21:40 (UTC)
It depends. If Windows wins this time, it will be for the same reason as last time: some serious arm-twisting about OEM deals on the rest of the manufacturer's range.
marypcb
23rd Jun, 2010 22:02 (UTC)
I'm tired of people coming up with this rubbish about how nobody would want Windows if the PC makers weren't shoving it down their throats because they're bribed to do it.

1 Microsoft is the most scrutinised company I know of, with relations with the top 20 OEMs individually supervised by the DoJ. How do they get this 'arm twisting' past everybody who's on the lookout for it? I haven't heard a complaint from anybody in the industry since the anti-trust trial. I haven't had a credible comment on or off the record from anyone at any PC manufacturer saying 'we wanted to keep selling Linux on our netbooks but er, we couldn't' but I have had dozens of comments on and off the record saying 'Linux netbooks just didn't sell and we couldn't afford the return rate'.

2 If these alternative OSes are so good why wouldn't the PC makers give Microsoft the finger in return and switch to just shipping other systems? If the other OSes can succeed on their own merits then they can make as much money by selling them and not Windows.

3 I look forward to comments telling me I'm a Microsoft shill; as I got my 'Google shill' badge this year for saying the Android marketplace terms are no more unfair to developers than any other app store, it's time I redressed the balance.
lovingboth
24th Jun, 2010 07:37 (UTC)
I am absolutely not saying that 'nobody would want Windows if etc'. I accept that there is a demand for Windows.

However, if Linux Eee's did not sell, why was it so difficult to buy one? When I wanted one, Amazon were selling all the Linux 901s they could stock: it was the XP Home one they had plenty of.

I would love to see the deals between Microsoft and various manufacturers published, specifically Asus pre-Eee and post-Eee.

Plus there may be some element of bribery involved: manufacturers don't waste ad space saying "We recommend Windows 2000/XP Professional/Vista/7" for nothing. Does Microsoft subsidise those ads in the same way that Intel does/did anything that featured "Intel Inside" (and did not feature AMD-powered kit)?
marypcb
24th Jun, 2010 11:35 (UTC)
So now we're off Microsoft's dastardly deeds and on to the stock problems of a distributor. Or does Microsoft have a crack team of ninjas placing orders to make sure the Linux netbooks sell out everytime?

did you ever do any research on these marketing deals that you think might be suspicious? If they're like the intel ones that so many partners have complained about that there's an investigation like the one that put Microsoft under scrutiny for exactly these kind of pricing deals, there should be people complaining about them too...

Five or ten years ago Microsoft was arrogant and the court case proved they were duplicitous; it's bad behaviour that's cost them literally more money than you can count in people just assuming they're lying, cheating and stealing and that nothing they do can succeed on its merits. I don't automatically assume they're virtuous but I do like to see actual evidence rather than innuendo.
lovingboth
24th Jun, 2010 21:27 (UTC)
Sigh. Why would a manufacturer put "We recommend Windows" on their ads if they were not being paid for it somehow? They're typically not offering any alternative: it doesn't matter if they recommend it or not.

I would love to see the evidence. I would be genuinely amazed if Asus producing Microsoft-free hit hardware did not get them a visit from Microsoft. It may well have been a nice visit rather than a nasty one of old, but if their OEM deal did not change, I would be surprised.

Dell is also interesting. Hmm, do I want a Dell Windows-based netbook, or a Dell Ubuntu-based one with a worse spec for the price? If there is any above-board business logic to that, I have yet to work it out.

And yes, it would help people's perceptions of them if they hadn't been caught illegally killing off a rival OS at least twice, then lying about it in court.
marypcb
25th Jun, 2010 13:46 (UTC)
you'd love to see the evidence but if you can't find it you're happy to just assume that it's there despite 5 years of intensive oversight? that's evenhanded of you.

Pricing by PC manufacturers takes into account a lot of things, including the significant revenue stream from royalties for third party software they bundle; this allows the PC makers to subsidise the Windows machines that come with the software that earns them the royalties. But the conspiracy theories are so much more fun, aren't they
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